The following excerpts
are from a TV debate on Holocaust denial, which aired on Al-Alam TV
on May 5, 2010.
It is a myth that has almost become a conviction. If it really happened,
why was it restricted to one group alone? The questions are: Did the
Holocaust really take place? Did the gas chambers indeed consume the
Jews, but nobody else? Did gas chambers even exist? Most importantly,
why do some people doubt this? Don’t historians have the right to
reexamine the so-called taboos?
Hatar (Jordanian Association against Zionism and Racism): Did it
or did it not happen? That is the question. To this day, those who claim
that [the Holocaust] did take place have been unable to provide any
evidence whatsoever to that effect.
Ali Hatar: No
evidence whatsoever. Of course, some political analyses and some...
That’s another matter.
Ali Hatar: They
often say: “It happened – what proof do you want?” That’s another
matter. But to bring a single piece of evidence...
Ali Hatar: We
are not saying that it didn’t happen. We are saying: Give us some
evidence. They have not managed to bring a shred of evidence. I challenge
them to do so. Therefore, they have prevented historical revisionists
from investigating this. Their first opponents were the Americans. They
fired them from their positions and kicked them out of their jobs. We
will go over their names later. They prevented them from investigating.
Mahdi Al-Afifi (Democratic
Party activist, New York): I’m sure that my colleague has access
to the Internet. He should check out the thousands of booklets written
about the Holocaust.
Ali Hatar: This
is a Red Cross report from 1949. The Red Cross is an international institution.
This is a Red Cross report – an international institution. It is from
1949, and it is about the five years of war. Its committees operated
throughout Europe. This report refutes the claim that anyone was killed
in these camps, during the so-called Holocaust. It also mentions the
self-management [of the camps] by the Jews. These are not my words.
I didn’t write the report. It is a report of the ICRC – the Red
This makes a mockery of people’s intelligence. The Holocaust took
place, and our attempts to use information that is not...
Okay, Dr. Mahdi Al-Afifi...
...does not help the Arabs or the Muslims.
This just causes pointless hatred.
Ali Hatar: We
seek the truth, and only then will we consider our position. We seek
the truth because this hatred that you are talking about is what caused
Gaza. It affects us. The US gives Israel 11 billion dollars, and Germany
gives it 3 billion dollars annually. That is how the Holocaust affects
us. They planted Israel in our midst. That is the result of the Holocaust.
What hatred are you talking about?
He talks about thousands
of books. This is the same kind of exaggeration as the figure “six
million.” There are no “thousands” of books written
about the Holocaust. There might be a single book claiming that the
[Holocaust] took place – Technique and Operation of the Gas
Chambers. This book is extremely idiotic, scientifically speaking.
There are also a few articles, most of which I have read, but the high
quality of the doubters’ research is notable.
Why did you call that book “idiotic”?
Ali Hatar: Because
it deals with technical issues. When we were children, we used to ask
each other a riddle: “How do you put an elephant into a fridge in
three moves?” The answer was: “You open the door, put in the elephant,
then close the door.” That book uses the same logic – you bring
2,000 [Jews], open the door, put them inside, you close the door, and
you burn them. How did they get there? How did you transport them?
There’s just one book, not thousands, as Dr. Mahdi Al-Afifi claims?
Ali Hatar: One
book. Let me mention it again, so he can look for it – The Operation
and Technique of the Gas Chambers. Where did you come up with the
figure of thousands, when there’s only one book?
Brother, this is just in order to show you, you can read it... [holds
up copy of Elie Wiesel’s book “Night”]
Hundreds of books are taught in American schools and universities. I
brought one little book, just as an example. With all due respect, brother,
I don’t know where you got your information. I’m sure you have Internet.
Go to Google, and enter the word “Holocaust,” and see how many books
there are. This author alone has written 40 books about the Holocaust.
Ali Hatar: The
purpose of [inventing] the Holocaust was to create a guilt complex among
the German and European people, so that this guilt complex would motivate
the Germans and their rulers to remain... A US Congress report, which
I have here, deals with the impact of this guilt complex on the German
rulers, who extended aid to Israel. Today, we are the victims of this
ongoing aid, which continues because of the guilt complex... I am duty
bound to say to the Germans: “Oh German, don’t be stupid. Check
if it really happened.”
Do gas chambers exist, Doctor? After all, you are an air-conditioning
Ali Hatar: There
were chambers that were used as prisons. Other chambers may have been
used, towards the end of the war, to burn the corpses of some people
who died of typhoid fever. But according to the reports – especially
the Red Cross report, and the book Did Six Million Die?, which
is an American book – there were no gas chambers, in the sense referred
to in the Holocaust issue.
What do those who support
the existence of gas chambers say? They say these chambers were 500
cubic meters in size, and that they used to put 2,000 to 4,000 people
inside. 500 cubic meters – if it was 5 meters high, its area
would have been 100 square meters. How can you possibly put 2,000 people
into 100 square meters? Just imagine, they say that [the Nazis] put
2,000 to 4,000 victims in each “cooking.” There are no chambers...
If you travel to the US and visit the chambers for execution by gas
– they use the same gas – you will see how well-controlled
these chambers must be.
I work in air-conditioning
of pharmaceutical plants, and we sterilize the plant from time to time,
and keep the air-conditioning going for 24 hours after the sterilization,
in order to disperse the lethal gas. Here they say that within 20 minutes,
they would clear the chamber and it would be clean. How can you possibly
remove 2,000 corpses, and clear the chamber in 20 minutes?! This cannot
This book, Hitler,
the Founder of Israel, and many other books and even Western reports,
say that Eichmann and the head of the Haganah coordinated the deportation
of the Jews. Hitler said: My lawyer is Jewish, my doctor is Jewish,
everybody around me is Jewish. He used to say to them: “When we come
to power, we must establish a state for the Jews. The solution to the
Jewish problem lies in finding a state for them.”
This is one of the
most important points, which must not be neglected. Hitler banned all
the Jewish parties in Germany, except for the Zionist party. He banned
all the other Jewish parties – religious and others. He permitted
only the party that was associated with the Zionist movement. Eichmann
went to the detention camps to give the Jews self-administration. Menachem
Begin headed 40,000 people in a detention camp in Poland. Eichmann allowed
him to train the Jewish youth in agriculture to prepare them for when
they would go to Palestine. He organized Hebrew courses for them, in
order to unite them and prepare them for Palestine. There was complete
coordination between Hitler’s regime and the Zionist movement, and
this coordination is verified in all the books.