The following are excerpts from a TV discussion with Muhammad Ali Sanad, an Egyptian driver who was kidnapped in Iraq, and Abd Al-Rahim Ali, a journalist and expert on Islamist movements. The program was aired on Dream 2 TV on July 17, 2005.

Host: How were you kidnapped? You were a driver in Kuwait. Who sent you to Baghdad? How were you kidnapped by one of the resistance groups?

Sanad: A Sunni group kidnapped me. We were driving with cargo for the Americans.

Host: Did you know the cargo was for the occupation forces?

Sanad: No. A Shiite group was protecting us. The moment they saw Sunnis pointing their guns at us, they turned around and fled to the mountains, leaving me alone.

Host: You mean the Kuwaiti who sent you?

Sanad: Yes, it's a company in Kuwait. We left to deliver cement, computers, and kitchens in seven trailers, seven truckloads.

Host: To the occupation forces?

Sanad: Yes.

Host: What if you had known it was for the occupation forces?

Sanad: I wouldn't have gone.

Host: What area did they take you to?

Sanad: To a city called Falluja. They told us we were going to Falluja. They took me and put me in a house, calmed us down, and then the television came to film us.

Host: Muhammad, after your return, I feel you believe in this group which kidnapped you, and that you believe it is a resistance group with values and principles and a noble cause.

Sanad: May Allah help them in Iraq and show them His mercy. Now that I'm back, if anybody asks me, I say these are the purest people I've met. May Allah help them to deal with the injustice they suffer. This is all I can say: injustice, injustice, injustice.

Abd Al-Rahim Ali: On the one hand, there's the respectable and noble Iraqi resistance which carries arms, fights the American soldiers, and kills them - and they have the right to do this. On the other hand, there's the resistance led by Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, which kills and blows people up indiscriminately...

Sanad: No, no. They don't behave unjustly.

Ali: I'm not talking about the group that kidnapped you.

Sanad: These people do not behave unjustly.

Host: But, Muhammad, this group slaughtered an Egyptian, and they took you and said, "come and look"... Can we defend a group that slaughters someone who was your co-worker?

Sanad: He deserved it... He collaborated with the Americans. He would indicate the houses of Jihad fighters with a laser beam.

Host: Muhammad, your group is called "Tawhid and Jihad", I think.

Sanad: They are all the same.

Host: But you told me they were of different nationalities.

Sanad: All those who fight the Jihad belong to Osama bin Laden, may Allah bless him. Honestly...